I have mixed feelings about this Guardian post.
The couple in this piece are so terrified of a certain question that they call it The Question and furiously text one another whenever someone asks it.
One day, it happens. The wife is chatting in the corridor at work about how their four-year-old son is already a seasoned connoisseur of Blue Planet.
“Even if she is boasting” writes the husband, “it is just casual office chat; the kind we all fill our days with”.
Another colleague, Sarah from Marketing, overhears and “butts in”: “So, are you guys thinking about No 2?” she asks. Cue angry, pounding heart and text to husband. Being quizzed about having a second child when you’ve had four miscarriages is torture; of course it is.
But it got me thinking: how to resolve this endless cycle of unwitting offence-giving? How do we make the offence-givers more aware? How do you change a world?
Sometimes, what doesn’t even register with one person can be a real source of grief to the next. You can be suffering and, at the same time, unwittingly offending someone else.
In my late 30s, that mum “boasting” about her charmingly precocious child, or any “casual office chat” about pregnancy, or queries about whether I had any kids could made me scream inside. I stewed in fury for months over flippant comments. I was told by two best friends that a miscarriage at 39 was good news as “it means you can conceive”. I was embarrassed, though, to admit I felt so mad: I didn’t want pity or to be seen as desperate, or to field platitudes, or to just be dismissed. I was fiercely private: it was my business, no one else’s.

And perhaps that’s the problem. It’s fine to demand that people stay out of your reproductive plans, that your uterus is no one’s business but your own and all that, but it’s a fact of life that many people just don’t know much about infertility. Rightly or wrongly, they simply believe that “are you thinking about no.2?” is an innocuous question to ask someone who’s chatting about their child. They don’t read the articles about miscarriage, the blogs about infertility. Maybe Sarah from Marketing is just a 22-year-old without much life experience, or even with too much, which gives her empathy gaps. For me, at 22, not much could compete with watching a close family member die in pain. It took me years to learn not to compare.
We want people to be sensitive and aware, but we want them to respect our silence because it’s our business. Because painful things are too painful to talk about. Because we don’t want the unsolicited advice and the “at least…”s. The red face and the awkwardness. The scab picked off the grief. We lambast unthinking, prying idiots like Sarah but we don’t want to tell them the truth, because why should we have to? They shouldn’t have asked the question in the first place. It’s a bit of a Catch-22, really.
I can guarantee Sarah would think twice about ever asking that question again if someone told her they’d had four miscarriages.
Infertility, miscarriage and childlessness shouldn’t be taboo but does taking the taboo away rely on people like this anonymous writer (and anonymous, hypocritical me), being brave enough to ‘educate’ people with truthful answers? Or is it our business and no one else’s?
Do you just wait for the anger to stop coming (it does, I haven’t felt it for ages) and let the next shift deal with it?


ah, this is very good.
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Oh thank you Hub, my thoughts were very jumbled didn’t know how it came across…
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How do you change a world? Love.
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oh, i meant i love that, not love changes the world.im not that sentimental
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Hahahaha! But maybe it’s true, Love Is All You Need
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And money
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Damn straight
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I just got to admit that I read that article and said out loud “fuck that shit” when I read the whole thing about the only child being “society’s last pariah”. I swear to God sometimes I see those with secondary infertility yelling louder than those who have never been able to have a child. I’ve written about this many times and while I have sympathy for those who cannot have larger families, it is definitely nothing close to the pain of NEVER having been able to have a child. Yes people should be more sensitive when asking personal questions but I got to say that this post itself to me lack sensitivity for all of us out there who were never able to have a child, acting like the worst thing in the world was to only have one child.
As an aside, I have a fairly unique perspective as someone who has had a variety of roles growing up – my mother had two older children from her first marriage and so when I grew up in her house initially I was the youngest child. My father remarried and had three children with his new wife and so when I would go over there I was considered the oldest daughter. But my mother and father never had another child together and my half sister moved out when I was 9, so I also know what it’s like to be an only child and have no siblings that I share both parents with nor that I’m anywhere close in age with. I never had any problem being the only kid at home, and while it would have been a bonus to have a sibling who knew what it was like to be the child of my mother and father combined, that is for pure selfish reasons, not because my life was worse because of it.
I personally am not offended if someone asks me if I have kids – I simply say no, I’m infertile. About 75% don’t give me any kind of dipshit response because I put it out there right away and don’t open myself up to people asking why, but I’m not afraid to shut people down who asks stupid things as well, as I think that’s the bonus of being in my forties is that I don’t try to play nice anymore when people act like dumbasses. Not that I’m a jerk back, but I do gently put people in their place because if you don’t? They’ll keep on saying that shit.
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Thanks Ecofeminist, I love your perspective (and you make me smile!). I felt the same about “society’s last pariah” – say what??? I don’t know a single only child who bemoans it, only parents who feel guilty about it. I agree about the 40s, that’s the good thing about getting older: not taking shit and generally feeling less affronted about a lot of things (in my experience)…
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I love the Evofeminists thoughts and prespective. I agree that being an only child is not the last parriah (women who are not parenting have that honor) but also that those suffering from secondary infertility who didn’t go through primary tend to make this argument.
I think your point that we need to be mindful on both ends is a powerful one. Those who boast need to be aware that they invite certain questions. Having a prepared answer is always good, but give people the benefit of the doubt. In addition, if a question brings out rage, then you need to own that their is still work to be done on your own end with healing. It’s not a bad thing to admit (and it baffles me that people get offended when this is pointed out), but it’s no less important.
Beautiful post. The Guardian should run this as a follow up
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Thank you Cristy. It’s always interesting that we do hear more from people who went through secondary infertility, or who had primary infertility but went on to give birth, than you do from childless people – it’s very telling. And yes, I’d agree that women ageing without children have more experience of being social pariahs than only children do
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This is a great topic. I remember cringing at the very simple question, “Do you have any kids?” It actually taught me never to ask anyone that question. People who have children usually volunteer that info. I also never ask someone I just met or am just getting to know if they are married. If they are single, their story is their own to volunteer. I suppose it gave me awareness and empathy. I do ask people questions about their lives, but only on things they’ve already volunteered.
I wish there was a good answer for an answer to such questions. The thing is, I never minded telling people that I was struggling with infertility. But, when I did, the next thing out of their ignorant mouths was “why not adopt?” Everyone had advice as to what I should do, so I isolated myself, because fertile people have no clue how much their advice hurts people who are trying to conceive.
These days though, if people ask, I proudly state, “No, we wanted children, but it wasn’t meant to be for us, so we got dogs.” I usually don’t get any advice anymore, because I’m too old for kids.
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Hi Lori
The unsolicited advice is definitely a problem. I bombard them with info about how hard it is if they pull out adoption. I no longer fear ‘Do you have children?’ but I do think that if someone is going to ask that question, they need to be prepared for a ‘no’ – you can’t just stare blankly & look embarrassed after you’ve asked it and wait for the poor childless soul to soldier on with the conversation (a quick shout out to the baby-mad women in my previous job who did this to me within 5 mins of me starting there – one of them actually blushed and turned away when I answered no)…
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Ha. Yes, I’ve said ‘no’ before and stopped the conversation dead in its tracks. That was more so when I was younger though.
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I know I said stupid and naive things in my twenties and probably even later before my infertility diagnosis. I now make a point of politely shutting people down when they bring up kids/babies/reproducing. It sucks to hear those types of comments or be subjected to questions like that. To be brutally honest, it is easy for me to do this and make people think twice about asking insensitive questions because I have been one of the lucky ones with treatments. Something I am never forget and am so grateful for.
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Hello, oh I was terrible in my 20s. I was a horrible champion of ‘just adopt’ brigade, for example. I was very sensitive on some scores (I never asked people about their parents in case they were dead) but I just couldn’t empathize with infertile people and never gave a thought to any of the nuances of the argument for and against adopting, or why you’d want your own child etc. My 30s changed everything and I’m glad in many ways for the understanding I gained
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This is all so very true. Our words have tremendous power, and those comments that we overhear and questions people ask can hurt. I haven’t experienced this in regards to having kids, but I definitely have in terms of the fact that I’m in my mid twenties and not dating anyone. I went through an abusive relationship and dating is not something I want to do now, if ever. But I know what you mean – those comments and questions can hurt more than anything. Thank you for sharing this. I know we’re not going through the exact same thing, but this still makes me feel less alone. Wish you all the best – speak766
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Thank you so much speak766 for your comment. Yes, I never ask people ‘how’s your love life?’ or any of those stupid questions: ‘You seeing anyone?’ etc. And we just have no way of knowing what people are going through. When I was talking a few years ago to a single friend (aged 40) about the possibility of having or not having kids, she rightly got annoyed with me and reminded me she didn’t even have the possibility to try. I’m grateful she said it (instead of just silently boiling like I do!) because it taught me something: whatever you’re going through, the person you’re talking to is going through their own stuff. Sorry that’s not very articulate but you know what I mean!
All the best to you
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Very thoughtful post. Yes, The Question can be different for different people I guess. He does acknowledge that people without children dread the “do you have kids?” question. His choice of words “the last pariah” was silly and short-sighted, but is obviously top of mind for him, as the post was written only weeks after their decision to stop their journey. So I forgive him.
I don’t think people who are grieving should feel that they have to answer the question in any way other than what feels right for them. Self-protection in those very painful, vulnerable years, is key. But once our grieving is largely over, and the pain of those questions fades, we can – only if and when we’re comfortable – decide to educate through our answers. I think it is personal choice, just as I like to speak out about feminist issues, but others don’t. Some will speak about politics, but I tend not to, though try to live my beliefs and right and wrong through my actions. There are only so many battles we can live!
Even now though, I will decide each time whether I think someone is open to education about infertility/adoption etc, or whether they just need the lesson that maybe the question, and its answer, can be uncomfortable for some people. It can be done as simply as replying “no” with no other comment. And I feel no guilt at all if they feel uncomfortable at that response!
Though sometimes, the message requires more detail, and/or more bluntness. I seriously wish I was brave enough to ask, “why do you want to know?” as the article said Rebecca Solnitt says. Or tto say, “well, if I wanted you to know, I’d tell you.”
Phew! Sorry this is so long!
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Thanks Mali, comments are never too long for me!
It’s a bit of conundrum. As you say, when people are grieving they should answer in whatever way is best for them. Personally, when I’m in the throes of something painful it’s very hard to talk about it, yet I get angry (inside) when people are intrusive and insensitive. This is the time that I really, really wish I could educate people, but I can’t. I fester instead. Now, I feel ‘over’ it and don’t do anything…. but I feel I should still be educating people. I don’t think I’d ever have the balls to say “why do you want to know?”, I can see that getting a bit antagonistic: I think I’m too meek..
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I will definitely add “why do you want to know?” to my repertoire 🙂
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Oh boy, do I have some thoughts on this…
I’m curious about the co-worker the writer’s wife was talking to, the person that was on the receiving end of hearing about the wife’s Amazing Progeny. He loves a show about animals? And he’s only four?? Wow, the kid must be a genius!! I’ve never heard of a child so young being fascinated by wildlife. (And yes, I am dripping with sarcasm. Just about every child I have ever known has been enamored with animals.) It seems to me that the writer’s wife is almost guilty of what she is complaining about. Does the co-worker she was talking to have kids? Does the co-worker even want to hear about the truly amazing, animal-loving toddler? Is the co-worker infertile? Single? Widowed? In a position to parent because he or she is unencumbered by crippling debt, illness, or being a caregiver for a loved one? Shockingly, not everyone wants to hear all about other people’s children.
And to call an only child “society’s last pariah?” What in the hell? Pariah means outcast. I am having a difficult time imagining the life-altering hardships the only child will face due to his role as a “singleton.” Outcast makes me think of people that are disenfranchised, people that are denied basic rights. I do not believe an only child is prohibited from fully participating in society. Furthermore, both of my sisters had only children and my niece and nephew have grown up just fine. They are healthy, well-adjusted young adults that never experienced any discrimination because of their status as an only child.
The author assumes that I see only children as lonely and selfish. He says, “Tell me you have never had these thoughts and I will stare straight in your eyes and call you the liar that you are.” Well sir, I have never had these thoughts and I am not a liar. In this article he is revealing things about himself that have nothing to do with me. I would prefer that he quit projecting his feelings.
Yes, I agree it was annoying and probably painful to be asked if you are thinking about child number two. Unfortunately, that is a normal question in conversation these days despite the fact that it may cause pain for people who do want more children but can’t have them or haven’t had them yet. But it is just like when I am asked if I have kids, I simply say no. No one owes anyone an explanation on the topic of their reproduction or family planning.
I get it. This couple is healing. They thought they would be a family with two or more children, and they are coming to terms with the fact that they will be a family with one child. I am not going to argue which is more painful: primary or secondary infertility. The fact is they both hurt. Yet, the author treats someone like me (someone without children) like an idiot. He says “to commit to having another kid when you already have one is to know the difficulties of the first few years.” Actually, dear author, I do not need to have a child to know how difficult it is to have a baby–just like I do not need to have a child to be an empathetic person or to know what real love is. I am not stupid or unfeeling. I am infertile.
I am not offended by this author or article. I just think his thinking is extremely limited. Also, there is something rather arrogant and annoying about this piece. It doesn’t sit well with me at all. I wish this couple all the best in healing because they are clearly still grieving (which is totally understandable and allowed). Maybe one day they will realize that they are not dealing with the biggest blow that life can give you. Maybe they can make new friends. Personally, I do not hang out with people who look down on me because I don’t have children; this couple doesn’t have to associate with people who they think look down on them for only having one.
Oops, I didn’t really answer your question about whether or not people should educate others. However, I did get pretty long-winded… Overall, I think people should do what feels best for them in the moment, which may vary day to day or situation to situation. Thank you for allowing me to share my extensive thoughts! 🙂
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Hey Phoenix your comment went into spam for some reason and I only found it today! Sorry… and thanks, I agree with everything.
A quite irritating article in many ways but obviously coming from a place of hurt. Maybe that’s why he’s anonymous… annoying nonetheless
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Thank you for posting this! I have often thought that we must give other people grace. We can’t expect them to understand what is hurting us if we don’t open up at least a little about our circumstances. We really must talk more about the issues of infertility, miscarriage, and childlessness in order to educate and hopefully, help others in the future (because you know this isn’t going away) to not feel so alone.
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I like the idea of ‘giving people grace’. Being gracious and not expecting everyone to understand everything all the time. I know I have ‘blind spots’ myself; it follows that we all probably do …. Thank you
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I totally agree with Brandi Lytle’s comment about giving people grace and needing to also be open and honest with people. I still struggle with the constant conversation about babies at my workplace (all day long it feels like, even though it has nothing to do with work). I know that I need to manage my own hurt within (it’s deep). And it’s about finding the right words to the right person (and know when it’s ok not to share…ie, does the dental hygienist who’s trying to make conversation need to know I can’t make good eggs even on heavy stim meds? Prob not)
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So true about what information to share, and finding the right words – around the time I did very unsuccessful ivf, I often went into esoteric details about LH surges and egg quality, before just wearily giving up… I often wished I could just sum everything up in a nutshell whilst also being gracious and accepting of people’s ignorance
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Just make sure to give yourself some grace as well, KT. Your pain is valid, and it’s okay to share when you need to. Even if it is with the dental hygienist! When mine asks if I have kids, I’ve told her that I can’t. So, we go on to talk about my puppy! Sending you lots of hugs…
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I often get asked why we adopted “so many” or “can you have children of your own?” It’s weird for people to see the way we grew our family and assume we are infertile because adoption is somehow the “cure” for that.
To be honest I usually say, “Well that’s a rather personal topic. Here, why don’t I let you try again and we can have a nice conversation that’s a bit more appropriate.” Then I chatter on and allow THEM to fee uncomfortable. Who cares, really?
For those trying to be nice I always say, “How sweet of you to be interested. That’s rather private though. Let’s try again, shall we?”
But it’s possible that you are much nicer than I am. 😉
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It’s weird that people think adoption and fertility are fair game topics. I suppose everyone has different acceptability thresholds. But why, I wonder…. personal experience maybe.
I do love your answers – “Let’s try again, shall we?” is a good one and should get the message across.. Nah I’m not very nice but I’m soft: I usually don’t dare say anything ‘inflammatory” and then seethe for ages afterwards.
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This really is a beautiful, thought provoking post! I’m so glad you wrote this – and I agree that infertility is societys last pariah! Don’t get me wrong, I’m know it can’t be easy having people question when are you having another child if you have one, but not having any kids leaves huge gaps of possible shared experiences and friendships and rites of passage that others take for granted in our lives – plus a plethora of many other things!
My answer depends on my mood at the time, the context and the person posing the question. If it’s some random lady at the supermarket with her kids around her screeching whilst I’m waiting alongside her in the queue who pipes up, I just answer ‘no’ and smile.
This has provoked a variety of reactions from people; I’ve experienced the embarrased person turning away. I’ve experienced the bolshy person, badgering for more information. I’ve experienced the person who completely ignores my response and continues to wax lyrical about the fruit of her loins.
I’m very comfortable explaining to people about my no kid status. The people I explain things to however, are often not so comfortable, it’s like I’m breaking all the social niceties and taboos in one fell swoop, despite them being the inquisitive bordering upon rude person asking me to explain something that for the majority of infertile people, is deeply personal.
The way I rationale it is if a person wants to ask such a personal question, they’ll get an answer and if they aren’t comfortable with that – go tell someone who gives a fig 😉
My infertility journey is something that’s a huge part of me; so for me to deny it when someone asks me about children makes me feel like I’m not being true to myself if I don’t give an honest response. If I had been asked years ago when I still felt very raw and was grieving about it, I would have either changed the subject rapidly to avoid awkward silences, gone home and bawled my eyes out or faded into the background to avoid being part of the family orientated conversations. We each have to do what feels right and comfortable for us and if protecting our hearts is one of them, we don’t owe anybody anything by way of an answer to one of the most probing questions.
Sorry for the huge ramble! Great post, once again xx
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Hello Bamber thanks for the rambling I love it. You have some very perceptive observations. I read this twice because it’s something that I often try to put into words: “..not having any kids leaves huge gaps of possible shared experiences and friendships and rites of passage that others take for granted in our lives”.
As I get older this aspect means more to me: personally, I often feel a bit ‘lacking’ when my friends are talking to me about motherhood as I just don’t have the experience. I know I shouldn’t, but when it’s a friend I like and respect: yeah, I worry that they hold back or wonder if there’s any point talking to me.
I’m much less awkward than I used to be when the chat turns to kids, although I only rarely offer up the full history.. I’m still a bit obsessed about not attracting pity, to be honest; that might be my paranoia more than anything…
Thanks again Bamber x
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I can relate to the not attracting pity side totally! For me nowadays my responses are more tailored to ‘no I don’t have kids, but always wanted them and it’s one of my life’s great griefs I didn’t have them’ condensed into an answer of ‘sadly, no’.
It’s such a loaded, personal (and if I’m honest, intrusive) question to get asked if you’re infertile and never had children. I’m all for giving others grace too but draw a line when others don’t reciprocate and give me grace, it’s an old coping mechanism.
I reckon your friends love your friendship for you and the qualities you bring to it – good, lasting friendships are made from a variety of things and not just being a parent – although it can feel a bit like sitting on the sidelines when my friends talk about their families with mutual friends.
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It’s definitely a loaded, complicated question… Yeah it’s weird that as I’ve got OK about being childfree, I’ve also got a bit insecure about how my friends who are wrapped up in child-rearing see me – hopefully it’ll wear off when their kids are adults…
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Most of my friends who were once wrapped up in parenthood are now embracing being able to do things they couldn’t do when their kids needed more attention – like I said to one of my close friends recently who’s child is older now so she gets to do ‘grown up things’ with me occasionally she’s evolved from a caterpillar into a moth (lol – she was expecting me to say butterfly) and moth rhymes with ‘sloth’ to which she answered she knew I loved her still as if I were being nice she’d know I didn’t care so much lol… I think your friends will definitely appreciate you being their when they reach their ‘moth to sloth’ phase! 😉 x
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Ha I hope so.. and if they do evolve into sloths we’ll be well-matched – I’m pretty slothful these days and I know they secretly want to be as well… Roll on the next phase x
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